srean 5 hours ago

At the root of the fast transform is the simple fact that

    ax + bx = (a+b)x
The right hand side has fewer arithmetic operations. It's about finding common factors and pushing parentheses in. Because of the inherent symmetry of the FT expression there are lots of opportunities for this optimization.

Efficient decoding of LDPC codes also use the same idea. LDPCs were quite a revolution (pun intended) in coding/information theory.

On the other hand, something completely random, few days ago I found out that Tukey (then a Prof) and Feynman (then a student) along with other students were so enamored and intrigued by flexagons that they had set up an informal committee to understand them. Unfortunately their technical report never got published because the war intervened.

Strangely, it does not find a mention in Surely You're Joking.

  • rigtorp 3 hours ago

    How is belief propagation used for decoding LDPC codes related to FFT?

    • srean an hour ago

      At the core both derive their optimization from the distributive property. If the expression graph has symmetry, you get more optimization out of it.

      https://www.cs.ubc.ca/~murphyk/Teaching/Papers/GDL.pdf

      Check out the first paragraph

          THE humble distributive
          law, in its simplest form
          states that...this leads
          to a large family of fast
          algorithms, including 
          Viterbi’s algorithm and 
          the fast Fourier
          transform (FFT).
      
      Two extremely influential papers appeared back to back in transactions information theory. This is one of them.

      The other is

      https://vision.unipv.it/IA2/Factor graphs and the sum-product algorithm.pdf

      Both are absolute gems of papers. The editor made sure that both appear in the same volume.

  • ajross 2 hours ago

    > At the root of the fast transform is the simple fact that

    Actually... no? That's a constant factor optimization; the second expression has 75% the operations of the first. The FFT is algorithmically faster. It's O(N·log2(N)) in the number of samples instead of O(N²).

    That property doesn't come from factorization per se, but from the fact that the factorization can be applied recursively by creatively ordering the terms.

    • srean 2 hours ago

      It's the symmetry that gives recursive opportunities to apply the optimization. It's the same optimization folded over and over again. Butterfly diagrams are great for understanding this. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45291978 has pointers to more in depth exploration of the idea.

    • emil-lp an hour ago

      Well, actually ... Summation is linear time, multiplication is superlinear (eg n log n in number of digits).

      Meaning that this takes k summations and one multiplication rather than k multiplications and k summations.

      ... Where k is the number of terms.

      • ajross an hour ago

        "Digits" are constant in an FFT (or rather ignored, really, precision is out of scope of the algorithm definition).

        Obviously in practice these are implemented as (pairs of, for a complex FFT, though real-valued DCTs are much more common) machine words in practice, and modern multipliers and adders pipeline at one per cycle.

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Mikhail_K 4 hours ago

Fast Fourier transform was not invented by Cooley-Tukey, it was used by Gauss to compute trigonometric interpolation of orbits from observations.

  • ajross 3 hours ago

    The factorization trick was reinvented several times. The algorithm that uses it to do a frequency decomposition was presented just once by named authors. This happens all the time. Freaking out about naming and attribution isn't really very informative.

    Edit: as always, Wikipedia is a better source than comment pedantry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fast_Fourier_transform#History

  • srean 3 hours ago

    True. Before Fourier did Fourier.

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