N_Lens 6 hours ago

Just a caution regarding a key assumption in this article - the assumption is that metacognition/reflection is “good”.

However, some people experience too much metacognition/reflection and that is actually correlated with depression/anxiety. These people also tend to be highly intelligent, and I suspect a higher proportion of HN readers will fall into this category.

Turns out just running on autopilot most of the time is the healthier human experience.

  • mindwok 4 hours ago

    Agree. My personal take on this is a boring one: Like all things, it's a balance.

    I'm introspective by nature (I'm sure many of us on this site are) and metacognition can be a very comfortable trap. It's a space where you can convince yourself that you can solve your life problems by spending enough time and effort thinking about them, the same way many of us approach engineering problems or other aspects of life. This is even worse in the era of AI, where you can have a helpful assistant to talk through your problems with and encourage analysis even further.

    Turns out that's not true. You can spend as much time as you want thinking about your life, circumstances, emotions, experiences, etc. Eventually, you'll have to actually do something and go have some contact with reality.

    It's helpful to examine your life and engage with your problems, but taking it too far is just another way of escapism. At least it was for me, YMMV.

  • uncircle 3 hours ago

    I’ve been wondering the same thing about meditation: it is “known” that is is good for you in the long-term, but I wonder if spending time focused on a point in your mind is a very good idea for people that spend a lot of time stuck in their own minds and thoughts. In periods of solitude, I’ve found meditation to increase feelings of depersonalisation and solipsism, that I can easily imagine could precipitate into psychosis for some people. I don’t do much of it any more, and for people like me, I believe physical exercise to be a much better counterweight to too much thinking.

    We push these one-size-fits-all suggestions, but we are never told who have they modeled from; not everybody is the same, and our minds are even more diverse than our biology.

    Also, re: running on autopilot: the goal of mindfulness is to be aware of every waking moment, yet our biology is very much tuned to running on autopilot because it is so much more efficient and frees CPU time for higher processing—you don’t want to be focusing on every muscle when you walk now, do you? Is it such a great idea to overrule our energy conservation protocols our brains depend upon?

    (Sorry for the off-topic, your comment was too interesting)

    • rickydroll an hour ago

      Interesting perspective on meditation. I was fortunate enough to have had good teachers through the Cambridge Insight Meditation Center and the Insight Meditation Society. As you would expect, my experience differs from what you described.

      In my opinion, breath-focused meditation is not thinking. It is being aware of the physical sensations of breathing and being aware of emotions and thoughts that arrive, but not engaging with them. Breath awareness and letting thoughts and emotions come into your mind is the easy part. Not engaging with them is the tricky part.

      You are right to point out that suggestions like meditation are not one-size-fits-all. Some people aren't ready to commit to the changes meditation brings about, just as others are not ready to undertake weight loss or personal improvement. No blame. When you're ready, the practice will be there.

      RE: Running on autopilot. Yes, there are parts of the body that need to function on autopilot, such as breathing and heartbeat. I appreciate that my stomach and intestines run on autopilot. At the same time, I think running on autopilot is dangerous because that is what gets hijacked by social media and misled by advertising. It's why you miss a turn and drive the way you always drove and why you write down the wrong date when the year changes. I consider running an automatic as a possible reason why using AI "makes people stupider."

      Meditation (walking, breath, flame) taps into a semi-universal part of the brain, below the level of consciousness, and provides a mechanism for reducing brain chaos, also known as the monkey mind. In my experience, developing the skill of reducing monkey mind-generated chaos becomes a semi-automatic process reinforced through daily meditation practice.

      Most mindfulness practices focus on being aware of your body and mind at a low level all the time. It's not an active engagement; it's simply being aware. The monkey mind burns a lot of cycles, and I would rather spend those cycles being aware of the monkey mind triggers and not engaging with them.

    • lemonberry an hour ago

      There are many kinds of meditation. I'm not sure what kind you're describing, but the way I've learned it is to not be focused on any one thing, but to let thoughts arise and pass without clinging to them or trying to push them away. The effect it's had on my own thinking is to have a better relationship with my brain. I'm less reactive and find myself ruminating a lot less.

      There are still dangers here from what I understand. Those with trauma can have past events pop up unexpectedly and have, undertandably, negative reactions. Most medtiation teachers recommend seeing a professional for guidance for people like this.

      While you clearly didn't benefit from whatever kind of meditation you were doing you may find that other kinds of meditation help you with the very problems you're identifying. Or not. Many (most?) people live fulfilling lives without ever meditating.

      That said, I think most people benefit from physical activity. Note that I don't say exercise, I think the latter is great - I row almost daily in addition to doing calisthenics, working my kettlebells, etc. - but I think modern culture and the fitness industry have conflated physical activity and exercise.

      Regardless, I'm glad you found something that works for you and that you didn't continue to force a path on yourself that clearly wasn't working. I think this kind of self-awarness and adjustment is important.

  • Cthulhu_ 2 hours ago

    There's some healthy self-reflection, and then there's spiraling and overthinking / overanalysing.

    I wouldn't say "stop thinking / run on autopilot" per se, but more that it's healthier to set a limit. Finish a sentence, get it out of your head, and move on. Rest and sleep help with processing the thoughts that you can use journaling for to get in order.

  • 0_____0 3 hours ago

    I see you are engaging in meta-metacognition.

  • card_zero 4 hours ago

    I won't take some time to reflect on that.

  • wtbdbrrr 4 minutes ago

    > some people experience too much metacognition/reflection and that is actually correlated with depression/anxiety.

    That's a misconception pushed for profit. It pops up a lot in different forms like "don't be such an individual" and makes marketing and mass psychology so much easier.

    tl;dr: the problem is not problem, it's your attitude, dude.

    Your brain is "cultured" and was wired to echo voices and opinions of peeps who seemed to have more fun when you were having thoughts and doubts about the things in discourse and you held back for one or more various reasons ( most times it's false pity or unjustified disgust because you were too proud of your own opinion, but you don't notice at all or way too late ) and so your brain ends up hallucinating depressive/anxious versions of unspoken things and reactions that never got to manifest.

    It has NOTHING to do with intelligence, but the higher proportion of HN readers still falls into this category because the bulk of people under any slice under the bell curve falls into this category.

    You can be as meta and reflective as you like, while meditating or not, just don't make the mistake of being nice or holding back. You don't have to be brutal or radical but in most cases, even when you are, someone or some train of thought will easily keep you grounded, albeit sometimes, someone (again, or some train of thought) will attempt to candygrab you onto their (your) cutesy little roller coaster. (Just vomit all over them/it, as soon as you notice and get back to your self.)

    If you don't hold back any thoughts, feelings, perspectives about what makes you feel depressed or anxious, you are going to have a good time. Letting go can work but when it comes to some (micro)-(traumatic) experiences, it's better to resolve "their" and your arrogance about the experienced and the never lived, never said, never heard. That way you, even though you don't break the loop right away, you create a simultaneous bypass or parallel circuit that fires up bunches of synaptic connections that find better, less crippling ways to deal with whatever the loop is focused on or around.

    You don't read about this because even your favorite teachers are "cultured".

  • Void_ 4 hours ago

    And now of course we also run all life problems by ChatGPT.

noelwelsh 4 hours ago

So much waffle. It's written like an online recipe, where we get the author's life story before they actually get down to business. If you're writing an article titled "The Socratic Journal Method" consider discussing the Socratic Journal Method as your first point. In 2025 is it really necessary to tell people they can journal on paper or on a computer?

  • another_twist an hour ago

    Yeah that bit of backstory is something I dont like personally but I get why its written in a motivation then exposition style. People do ask themselves is reading the rest of it worth it.

skrebbel an hour ago

Totally off topic, but opening this page and seeing the typography makes me want to read it. Yay clarity!

(Edit: the many many paragraphs of fluff before unveiling the actual method did counter this effect somewhat)

another_twist an hour ago

I think the author probably solved the blank page problem for me. I dont journal and I have no intention of picking it up. But the trick I picked up here is when faced with a blank page try to treat it as an answer to a question. Solid idea. Thank you author.

vijucat 5 hours ago

Somewhat related: sentence completions / fill-in-the-blank templates are shockingly effective at eliciting your inner thoughts which even you didn't know you were feeling. The idea is from Nathaniel Branden's work.

"What I regret right now is ____"

"What I should now is ____"

"I am become aware that ____"

You don't need to journal these on paper. Don't do these in public. You might find yourself overwhelmed by what comes out.

  • jddj 2 hours ago

    Perhaps we should be inserting "...wait! But" at artificial locations to encourage deeper thought.

jatins an hour ago

One of the curse of reading in 2025 is your mind starts to pattern match if this is AI written. Parts of this has tell tale signs of ChatGPT. Like:

> 2. Digital Typing. The Modern Powerhouse

Not to say it is but it kinda means the article is pretty light on "new" information

  • another_twist an hour ago

    None of it is information just a sharing of ideas. I don't see a problem here tbf.

komali2 5 minutes ago

My recent journaling breakthrough involved a move to Trilium, where I have calendar-based notes broken into day, week, month, and year. The simplest part of my journaling process is here, and also the most useful: every day, week, month, and year, I review that day and answer some questions. The questions I developed from reading some books on ADHD as well as talking with my therapist.

Daily questions:

1. All habits done that can be? (this is my reminder to meditate if I haven't, or watch a mandarin video or do some pushups or whatever)

2. Tomorrow planned? (this is my reminder to real quick make sure I at least know where I need to be on the next day)

3. Work done towards goals:

3. A: Mandarin:

3. B: Weight Loss:

3. C: Improving Engineering:

4. What gave me energy? (literally what made me feel more able to do things? This could be, relaxing and watching a youtube video, or, going on a run, or even just eating)

5. What drained my energy? (what subtracted from my daily capability to do things? Often will be a long meeting, or if I overdo a workout)

6. What gave me joy?

7. What made me feel bored?

8. When did I feel most myself today?

9. I felt most absorbed when… (this is seeking out activities that triggered flow-state, which is important in finding happiness with ADHD)

10. I felt slightly playful when… (related to 9. Playful as per Edward M. Hallowell's definition: "I mean something deeply and profoundly formative - any activity in which you become imaginatively involved. The opposite of play is doing exactly what you are told.")

11. This made my brain light up: (related to 9 and 10, Hallowell: "When you play, your brain lights up. This is where you could find joy for the rest of your life, so take note when it happens… When you play, you are likely to enter a state… named “flow.” In “flow,” you become one with what you are doing… Your brain glows.")

I answer these questions every day, and then every week summarize the answers to these same questions into a week-based entry, with an additional question:

12. What activities did I naturally seek out?

Same then for the month, I summarize the weeks into a month entry. The month has some more questions:

13. What surprised me this month?

14. Did anything I explore make me curious?

15. What habits felt enjoyable or supportive?

16. Which habits am I doing out of obligation?

17. Which small experiments genuinely improved my mood or confidence this month?

18. Where did I unnecessarily push myself too hard? What can I release next month?

19. Did I speak kindly to myself this month? When did I struggle most with self-compassion?

20. What tiny victories can I celebrate this month (especially regarding Mandarin, weight loss, or exercise)?

21. What feels truly sustainable going forward (diet, exercise, language, emotional health)?

For year, I do a year compass. I review my year compass monthly. https://yearcompass.com/ (these I've been doing for 8 years)

Each day review takes about 5 minutes max, week reviews take about 15 minutes max, and month reviews take about 20 minutes max. Year compasses take many hours to complete spread over a couple days (an excellent Christmas activity).

I've been journaling for ~28 years (since I first learned to write, yes really) but my journals were just me kinda flowing my thoughts. I think that's been nice but there's not much point in going back to read old journals, it's just nice to look at them on the shelf. What gets journaled gets remembered, or only I only journal memorable things, who knows. But I've been doing this day/week/month question thing for like a half year now and it's made significant improvements in my life, in terms of keeping me on track for my goals, allowing me to be more in touch with my emotions, and helping me realize a couple key things about myself that completely shifted my self perception and made it all the easier to achieve my goals. For example, I discovered that I actually really like working out, and being fit is a key part of my identity, that I'd been lying to myself about that by telling myself I'm just a fat nerd and that working out is a chore. Or, that despite my nontraditional background, I really do enjoy programming, and can rest in my confidence in my love of my profession.

I do still maintain a longform journal in a Hobonichi book and that has been a nice habit to keep up, it's quite relaxing and I really enjoy using my various fountain pens and inks, pasting in train tickets and whatnot. I'm looking forward to having the hobonichi on the shelf at the end of the year as a year's worth of thoughts.

Void_ 4 hours ago

I have mixed thoughts about audio journaling.

At first I was in love - I made an app around Whisper transcription model the weekend it came out. (Still working on it - https://whispermemos.com)

But when I try to read those recordings, they seem long and uninteresting.

I think the slowness of writing forces us to transform the thoughts/ideas into a format that has more substance.

So typing creates better distilled version of the text, and writing with one even more.

Recording audio just makes a raw stream of consciousness.

The process isn’t as therapeutic. It’s like stuffing food in your face instead of slowly chewing.

What are your thoughts on this?

  • leobg an hour ago

    Interesting. WhisperMemos user here.

    I used audio journaling before Whisper came out, and I did have a pipeline that would run a transcription through Google Cloud and save the transcript to Evernote. I didn’t actually review the transcripts most of the time, but the very fact of developing my thoughts—without being constrained by typing speed—was very helpful.

    What I also liked about this system was that it gave me independence of place: I didn’t have to sit down at a computer. Instead, I could be thinking aloud while driving a car, or while taking a walk in the countryside. Usually, after finishing such a conversation with myself, I would automatically feel much more clarity about the upcoming day, or about whatever issue that had been on my mind.

    If I were to add AI to this process, I would perhaps only have the AI extract some bullet point summaries for the topics that were covered, and anything that could be considered a potential to-do item—so that as output you would get these high-level summaries, along with the raw transcript.

    If you wanted to, you could also color-code for each summary item the parts of the raw transcript in which these are covered. So, if you ever do look at the summary-slash-transcript, you can always quickly look up what your thoughts were on the subject—though I would guess this would not happen often.

    And the most value from that would probably be that your future self, say 10 or 20 or 50 years from now, will be able to dive into what went through your head at this point in time. For the immediate present, the most value probably just comes from taking the mess that is in your head of unfinished thoughts and serializing it into coherent speech—until you feel everything that’s on your mind has been said.

  • LoganDark 4 hours ago

    I have wanted to record parts of my stream of consciousness so I can put more time into it later - but that will require me to block out time to do that. I hope I'll have it some day.

tibbar 6 hours ago

Left unsaid is why this practice can be so meaningful. I think it's just that: these are the questions you wish someone else would ask you. When we're stressed, angry, grieving, lost, I think we all yearn to have someone care about us enough to ask these questions, to let us open up, to not be alone.

And while I think it's great when that can actually be another person, whether it's a friend, or partner, or therapist, it is still surprisingly calming, healing, even, when we pose the question to ourselves, and then really wait to hear the answer.

Brajeshwar 6 hours ago

This is an interesting perspective and I like this. I'm going to see how this method goes. I journal and tend to write a lot. This is after years of repeated tries, failures, and re-tries.

I agree with the simple physical pen/paper combo.[1] For the digital part, I suggest sticking to plain-text.[2] Personally, I’ve a feeling video or audio, unless transcribed and texted, will likely become cumbersome and will remain in oblivion.

1. https://brajeshwar.com/2025/notes/

2. “Every device, including ones long gone, and ones not invented yet, can read and edit plain text.” - Derek Sivers

  • maxboettinger 3 hours ago

    are there any other learnings you might share? I just cant make myself stick to it,,

doganugurlu 4 hours ago

Slightly off topic: I have little tolerance for “not just X but also Y” phrasing because of ChatGPT.

I counted 3 almost back to back and stopped reading.

I don’t think people realize how much ChatGPT “leaks” its own commentary into their writing.

petesergeant 6 hours ago

I’ve been journaling for 15 years. Top tip: remove any need at all to do it “right”. Have a time in the day to do it, and be comfortable with writing just one word, or two sentences, or an essay, just whatever comes out. The best kind of journaling is the one you actually do, and even five-word entries written ten years ago will transport me back to what I was feeling and thinking. Every failed attempt I’ve seen or heard of has people feeling they have to write an essay.